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The best place to live for cheapThis forum post has messages dated from 04/22/10 through 07/15/11, please be sure to read all the messages. If you feel it is old or outdated, please follow up with a question or comment and someone may be able to update it, or reply with newer information if you have it.
| The best place to live for cheap My wife, Suzan, and I lived in Ecuador from November 2001 until November 2002.Life has pushed us around the hemisphere since then…Panama, Nicaragua, three different places in Mexico. But during the year we lived in Quito we were able to explore much of Ecuador’s beaches, highlands, and mountains–and we flat out fell in love with the place. It’s not only one of the most affordable places on earth to live…it has the best weather on the planet as far as I’m concerned. $28, 000 for a luxury apartment, $75, 000 for a beachfront condo, $30 per week for a fulltime maid and $25 for a gourmet meal for two… sounds too good to be true. But it’s not. Every cliché you’ve heard about living large on very little, about settling into the lap of luxury on even a pensioner’s budget, its all true in this beautiful little country. |
| "Cost of living myths"
I don't know what planet Stidman is living on. Ecuador is no longer cheap. In fact, the Department of State gives its employees assigned to Quito and Guayaquil a 10 percent cost of living allowance which is supposed to compensate for the "high cost of living" in those cities. In addition, they get a 15 percent "hardship allowance." All this means that people on limited incomes should not consider retiring to Ecuador for cost of living reasons. There are many other legitimate reasons to retire in Ecuador and so I'm not saying don't retire in Ecuador.Just an example of Stidman's wrong information. A full-time maid in Ecuador does not cost $30/week. I happen to have one and these are the approximate costs: minimum wage -- $240/month. Social Security -- $48/month. 13th and 14th salaries prorated -- $40/month. Transportation -- $20/month. All this adds up to $348/month and does not include food, which you also have to provide. |
| "Reality Check"
"There are many other legitimate reasons to retire in Ecuador"Thank you Randy for clearing up some points there. Its the same all over South America, people think its super cheap when its not (and when it is, that usually means services and products are very poor quality!). What are the good reasons to move to Ecuador do you think? Is it only good for retired people or also for young people with online work? I spent some time in Uruguay and many wannabe expats contacted me saying they heard Uruguay is really cheap - well I'm telling you it is NOT! Ok it may be cheaper than living in Manhattan or London, but the wages aren't the same so you are comparing apples and oranges! Randy I'd like to hear more from you about the realities of life in Ecuador seeing as you are actually there and experiencing it. Could you tell me a bit about daily costs? What is expensive and what is not? How much do local people earn? |
| "Reasons why I am in Ecuado"
Hi Carla. Here are some of the reasons why I am in Ecuador:1) The country is beautiful and offers a variety of spectacular settings, ranging from the mountains, jungle, and beaches. I happen to like the mountains and, when I was younger, climbed them as often as I could. That experience is exhilarating. 2) The pace of life in Ecuador is much slower than in the U.S. There is no rush to do anything and as a result much less stress than you would experience in the U.S. Just relax and enjoy every day. 3)The climate, at least in the mountains and surrounding valleys, is near perfect. It's hardly ever too cold or too hot. You don't need air conditioning or central heating. You just add or take off layers depending on the time of day. It's cool at night, warm at noon, and spring-like in between. 4) I bought a farm in Tumbaco which is in a valley near Quito. It has a large expat community there and good international type schools if you have children. It also offers basic conveniences: modern supermarket and shopping centers, movie theaters, and a good hospital nearby. Regarding your other questions: 1)Costs per month: My wife and I spend roughly $700 a month on groceries; $200/month on internet/telephone/TV; $500/month for a car; $700/month on health (including $125/month for a gym); $350/month for a full-time maid plus food for her; $80/month on utilities (water/electricity); and $800/month on miscellaneous items. Although health costs are much lower in Ecuador than in the U.S., you should be aware that Medicare does not cover treatment overseas. 2) Relatively expensive items: good quality imported clothing, cars, electronic equipment -- basically anything imported and not produced in Ecuador. Relatively inexpensive items: real estate (either purchased or rented); local vegetables; labor (maid/gardener). 3)Salaries in general in Ecuador are low and opportunities scarce. For example, the President and Ministers in the government earn around $4000/month and so normal professionals make less than half that. Naturally, it depends on what skills you have to offer. If you have a professional degree and good Spanish, you might be able to get a job in a university. In the Quito area, the University of San Francisco pays best. Years back, a friend of mine got a job there which paid $25, 000/year. I imagine salaries have gone up since then -- but don't know by how much. For most expats who are not retired, it is best to think of being self-employed, perhaps investing in a business that is tourist-related. Tourism is one area that is growing rapidly in Ecuador. I hope this information is helpful to you Carla. Randy |
| "Keep the posts coming"
Randy thanks very much for your input, I really appreciate it as it can be hard to get in touch with actual people on the ground rather than some real estate or investment company trying to sell you the dream!I look forward to hearing more from you on the board. |
| "Special Equip. Tech."
I will be retiring soon and will have 1, 900 a month, I have searched all the cheap places to retire, Ecuador sounds great, however, from what I am reading no place is cheap anymore, I think once a place gets saturated with Expats. and rich people start buying up all the property ( so they can get richer and the poor get poorer ) then there is no place where we can afford to live on our Social Security anymore, what a shame that greed has destroyed it for us all, if I am wrong then I hope someone will tell me, as I would love to find a nice, safe, cheap place to retire.Thanks |
| "Cost of living in Ecuador"
I hope someone will respond to my comment #5 about no place being cheap enough to live on Social Security anymore, even the $1, 900 ( actually about $1, 700 after I pay a few things here each month ), that I will have, that was always my security, thinking I could move to Ecuador or somewhere cheap, I hope to get a reply ( hopefully a positive reply ).Thanks |
| "Cheap vs Lifestyle"
For one person cheap is $400 a month for another its $10, 000 a month.For one to live "cheap" they require all imported name brand stuff from the USA, for another "cheap" means integrating into the local culture. You will probably find that many Ecuadorians live very "cheap" compared to the amounts your talking about. But can you live the same lifestyle? There is really no answer besides going and exploring for yourself, to see how you fit in (price wise). |
| "That;s the idea"
That is kind of the idea, to live somewhere you can have a similar lifestyle ( nice apartment, Internet, cell phone, able to eat out twice a week, and not be poor, on my Social Security, if I could live well on $1, 200 a month in Ecuador that would be great, if I had $10, 000 a month I wouldn't need to live in Ecuador, I could live anywhere I wanted to.Thanks for the info. |
| "Living Outside the USA"
"if I could live well on $1, 200 a month in Ecuador that would be great, if I had $10, 000 a month I wouldn't need to live in Ecuador"So your only motivation is the cost of living? I've not lived in the USA for 8 years. The question of money and cost of living aside, there are so many interesting and great places to live, I wouldn't choose the USA. I think the ultimate place to live would be one where you could live comfortably for $1, 200 a month, yet would want to remain if you income unexpected rose to $10, 000 a month! |
| "Good thought"
Joe, That's a good thought, I don't want to live in the USA either, I'm sure Ecuador or even other countries are very nice, my motivation is not only the cost of living ( which is very important as I have to be able to live on my SS ) but also the beautiful country and better more friendly people, I'm so sick of people here, so I will be checking these places out, I can't wait to get away from here, but I also think what I said is true, by the time I get there ( 3 years ) it will be too expensive ( more than I have from my SS )I think some people have more money than me and that is not a consideration for them, they live there for other reasons and can't relate ( like our government ) to people like me that will only have about $1, 700 a month and have to find a place where we can have a decent life on that amount. Thanks for your reply. |
| "Homes in Quito"
I am considering moving to Quito.What can I expect to pay for a 3br 3 bath home in best area to live ? Can you get mortgage or must it be cash ? Are there real estate taxes |
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